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[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations Kuzus at aol.com Kuzus at aol.com
Wed Jul 23 20:29:00 EDT 2003

[] Septuagint translated by Sir Lancelot C.L. Brenton [] Re: 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations

[] Septuagint translated by Sir Lancelot C.L. Brenton[] Re: 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations

[] Re: 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations Eric Weiss eweiss at gte.net
Thu Jul 24 09:50:27 EDT 2003

[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations [] machen answer key Hmmm….. the message is blank.I guess the “cessationist” position is true, i.e., the gifts have “disappeared.”Eric S. Weisseweiss at gte.nethttp://home1.gte.net/vzn05pnm/index.htm

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[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations Kuzus at aol.com Kuzus at aol.com
Thu Jul 24 12:39:33 EDT 2003

[] Granville Sharp Rule [] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations I have a question about 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. I do not know any Greek and I am trying to get a better understanding of the passage. Are the “to one” and “to another” referring to one man? or to one profit? I am looking for information about whether each man receives all of the manifestations of the Spirit or each man is given a different manifestation. In verse 11, does the Spirit give individual gifts according to his will, or does he give all the gifts according to his will? Also, in a related question, is there a difference between “gifts” (charisma) of the Spirit, or “manifestations” (phanerosis) of the Spirit? I appreciate any light you can shed on this subject.Mike HigmanSt. Petersburg, FLStudent/Florida State University

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[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations Ben and Jo Crick ben.crick at argonet.co.uk
Thu Jul 24 19:15:59 EDT 2003

[] Re: Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21 [] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations On Thu 24 Jul 2003 (12:39:33), kuzus at aol.com wrote:> I have a question about 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. I do not know any Greek> and I am trying to get a better understanding of the passage. Are the> “to one” and “to another” referring to one man? or to one profit? I am> looking for information about whether each man receives all of the> manifestations of the Spirit or each man is given a different> manifestation. In verse 11, does the Spirit give individual gifts> according to his will, or does he give all the gifts according to his> will? Also, in a related question, is there a difference between> “gifts” (charisma) of the Spirit, or “manifestations” (phanerosis) of> the Spirit? I appreciate any light you can shed on this subject. Dear Mike, Paul is making the point that any one Christian does *not* have *all* the gifts. The gifts are spread around the church members, so that the church members need one another. The Holy Spirit gives one gift to one individual, and another gift to another individual. The rest of the chapter makes this very clear. Some may have more than one gift; compare our Lord’s parable of the talents where one had 5, another 2 and another just 1 (Matthew 25:14ff). Each recipient of a gift is another person; hEKASTWi DE….. hWi MEN…. ALLWi DE….. hETERWi….. ALLWi DE…… ALLWi DE…… ALLWi DE……. ALLWi DE…….. hETERWi…… ALLWi DE……. A FANERWSIS is a manifestation of a gift; the CARISMATA are grace-gifts. In verse 4 there are CARISMATA; in verse 5 there are DIAKONIA; and in verse 6 there are ENERGHMATA. Here we may discern different categories of manifestations of the Spirit. They are gifts given to enable the church to function as a church by equipping church members with the gifts to perform their part in the wellbeing of the congregation as a whole. AIUI ERRWSQE Ben– Revd Ben Crick BA CF, and Mrs Joanna (Goodwin) Crick <ben.crick at argonet.co.uk> 232 Canterbury Road, Birchington, Kent, CT7 9TD (UK) http://www.cnetwork.co.uk/crick.htm

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[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Jul 24 19:26:56 EDT 2003

[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations [] Septuagint translated…Thank You. At 12:39 PM -0400 7/24/03, Kuzus at aol.com wrote:>I have a question about 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. I do not know any Greek and>I am trying to get a better understanding of the passage. Are the “to one”>and “to another” referring to one man? or to one profit? I am looking for>information about whether each man receives all of the manifestations of>the Spirit or each man is given a different manifestation. In verse 11,>does the Spirit give individual gifts according to his will, or does he>give all the gifts according to his will? Also, in a related question, is>there a difference between “gifts” (charisma) of the Spirit, or>“manifestations” (phanerosis) of the Spirit? I appreciate any light you>can shed on this subject.> >Mike Higman>St. Petersburg, FL>Student/Florida State UniversityQuite frankly, it becomes clear that you’ve addressed your question to thewrong forum as soon as you tell us that you do not know any Greek. I citefrom the list’s FAQ (accessible at http://www.ibiblio.org//faq.txt):”Anyone interested in New Testament Studies is invited to subscribe, butlist-members will be assumed to have at least a working knowledge ofBiblical Greek. While “lurkers” are welcome to receive and read listcorrespondence, posts to the list are expected to pose questions aboutBiblical Greek, not general questions or opinions about doctrine or themeaning of the English text. Even basic questions are welcome, providedthey are really about the meaning of the Greek text. This is not a generaldiscussion list for Biblical matters. While one need not be a Greek scholarto subscribe, one should at least be taking the first serious steps in thestudy of Biblical Greek.”– Carl W. ConradCo-Chair, ListDepartment of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)cwconrad at artsci.wustl.eduWWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/

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[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations Frank Gee frankrgee at outpost.net.au
Sat Jul 26 08:00:05 EDT 2003

[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations [] Heb 6:9 KAI ECOMENA SWTHRIAS While fully agreeing with the first part of Ben Crick’s comment in answer toMike Higman, I feel constrained to caution Mike against too readilyaccepting the final paragraph of Ben’s posting, which seems to me to give aconfusing picture of the data in the Greek text, and to contain mutuallycontradictory statements:> A FANERWSIS is a manifestation of a gift; the CARISMATA are grace-gifts.> In verse 4 there are CARISMATA; in verse 5 there are [??] DIAKONIA; andin> verse 6 there are ENERGHMATA. Here we may discern different categories of> manifestations of the Spirit. They are gifts given to enable the churchto> function as a church by equipping church members with the gifts toperform> their part in the wellbeing of the congregation as a whole.> BenAs Ben correctly points out, from the way verses 4 to 6 are structured, “wemay discernDIFFERENT CATEGORIES of manifestations of the Spirit”.CARISMA (“grace-gift”) is one of those THREE DIFFERENT categories mentioned,along withDIAKONIA (which we might translate as “ministry”, or “form of service”, oreven possibly “office”),and ENERGHMA (a “working” or “activity”).It is an open question whether all three of these categories are necessarilymanifestations of THE SPIRIT, as Ben says. The words KURIOS (at the end ofverse 5) and QEOS (in the middle of verse 6) could point in a differentdirection (ie have different referents). That would raise interestingtheological issues, which I shall not pursue here, as my interest is in theinterpretation of the Greek text. I am inclined to think they are, becauseof the way that verse 7 reads most naturally as a summary of the threeverses immediately preceding it. In which case, FANERWSIS is referring backto *all three*categories, and not just to CARISMATA.Verse 7 gives us the writer’s own reference for FANERWSIS: hEKASTWi DE DIDOTAI hH FANERWSIS TOU PNEUMATOS . . (To each is given the manifestation OF THESPIRIT…)My point is, that the writer here links FANERWSIS primarily with TO PNEUMA,and then with all three listed categories of the Spirit’s operation:CARISMATA, DIAKONIAI [Ben might note that this noun is feminine 🙂 ] andENERGHMATA.So to define FANERWSIS as the manifestation of “a gift” alone is based uponan assumption not supported by the Greek text. Nor does the text encourageus to make a simple equation between the three “different categories” and”gifts”, as Ben has done.Anyone interested in a fuller discussion of these matters is referred to thecorrespondence on the subject “What to do with PNEUMATIKOS”, in October2001.With all best wishes,Frank Gee,JamberooAustralia.

[] 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and spiritual gifts/manifestations[] Heb 6:9 KAI ECOMENA SWTHRIAS

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