Yes but it’s the ἀλλ’ἤ combo—quite illogical on its face—that stands in need of explanation. Whatever its origin I think it just has to be accepted as a linguistic quirk.Statistics: Posted by mwh — Thu May 16, 2024 7:26 pm
Greetings! I’m here to call upon the collective wisdom of this forum regarding a particularly tricky (at least for me) passage in one of Gregory Palamas’ Antirrhetikoi against Gregory Akindynos. I’ll drop the entire passage below, along with my attemp…
The adverbial construction απο + adverb with suffix -θεν (απο μακροθεν, απο πριωθεν, απο εμπροσθεν etc.) occurs about 20 times in LXX; in the NT απο μακροθεν 12 times, once απο ανωθεν in Mk 15:38), and in some Churchfathers.In Homer (Iliad 12:205 a…
“With regard to φθόνος” hardly fits. For πρὸς φθόνον, of course, we have LSJ.πρός.C.I.7 “πρός c.acc. freq. periphr. for Adv. …” Rather then context precluding it, God’s jealousy is in fact a frequent topic in scripture. Verse 4, with the accusation …
Examples of true impersonals: Eng: It’s raining, Ger: es regnet, Gr: ὕει.Eng: It has to, Ger: es muss, Gr: δεῖλέγουσιν in Luke 20:41 is an “occasional impersonal”. It means “people say” or “they say”. Luther translates “sagen sie”, but he could have s…
ἀλλʼ ἤ seems to mean “but rather” in those verses. IMO, that would make ἤ here somewhat similar to the LSJ A.I.3 “or else, otherwise”, although not quite the same thing.How do the English bibles translate these verses?Statistics: Posted by jeidsath — …
I have searched and found no other instances, but -θεν does often correspond to מ־.ἔξωθεν מחוץ “from without” (ἔξω, חוץ) *Gen 6:14ἔνθεν משם “from there, thence”, ἔνθα שם “there”. πόθεν מאין “from where, whence, ἵνα אין “where” *Num 11:13Ecclesiastes…
Hi Joel, I don’t have a facsimile of the manuscript itself, but maybe it’s online: if anyone wanted to track it down, the 1983 critical edition describes manuscript C as sitting in the National Library of Austria, ref. ‘hist. gr. 63’, dated 1319, on p…
You have two examples of the “but instead” meaning in the Psalm quote. I would say that neither appear to use an emphatic negative. And my post was an argument for *not* reading Luke 12:51 with this “but instead” translation. I suggest looking through…
Hi all, now that the weekend has come, I’ve had a chance to look up the underlying sources, and they lean heavily in favour of Michael’s initial view (although not exactly the same). I’ve written up my notes below, in case of interest to others.This p…
Hi Joel, I don’t have a facsimile of the manuscript itself, but maybe it’s online: if anyone wanted to track it down, the 1983 critical edition describes manuscript C as sitting in the National Library of Austria, ref. ‘hist. gr. 63’, dated 1319, on p…
Pretty sure ὑμῶν ὁ from Matt 6:26 could fit in line 13 on the recto before οὐράνιος, so will be interesting to see if the latest Oxyrhynchus volume restores the lacunae.I now have a copy.In the notes they say that the letter before οὐράνιος cannot be …
I have searched and found no other instances, but -θεν does often correspond to מ־.ἔξωθεν מחוץ “from without” (ἔξω, חוץ) *Gen 6:14ἔνθεν משם “from there, thence”, ἔνθα שם “there”. πόθεν מאין “from where, whence, ἵνα אין “where” *Num 11:13Ecclesiastes…
Yeah, I had a post written up about the earlier πεπηγμένος, but happily Chad’s post covered it first.I can get closer to the spelling, if you’d like.So αναγκη βιαια – irresistible necessity – would be great, but you would have to imagine a dropped ver…
Yeah, I had a post written up about the earlier πεπηγμένος, but happily Chad’s post covered it first.I can get closer to the spelling, if you’d like.So αναγκη βιαια – irresistible necessity – would be great, but you would have to imagine a dropped ver…
I thought that this might just be something to do with the poetry here, and looked at how ἀλλ’ ἤ gets used elsewhere. A quick scan through Genesis and the early books of the LXX shows it mostly being used in the “standard” way, to mean “unless” or “ex…
Yeah, I had a post written up about the earlier πεπηγμένος, but happily Chad’s post covered it first.I can get closer to the spelling, if you’d like.So αναγκη βιαια – irresistible necessity – would be great, but you would have to imagine a dropped ver…
That single BCE-Papyrus is the one I mentioned in my opening post (by the way: It’s nice that Papyri.info and https://www.papyrusportal.de/content/start.xml) have the possibility to do a text-search).Yes, You’re right, that NT-Witnesses are all from c…
It sounds a lot like our word “barge” to me (and the internet confirms). The word is of Egyptian origin, apparently. But why is it also a building? A squat sort of wooden structure could be similar to a barge, I guess. But maybe there is an etymologic…
This sort of thing is anathema to me. And why do theologians have to be so very nasty to one another? But I’m trying to understand the syntax along with the sense, starting from ταύτης τοίνυν οὕτω συναιρομένης (6 lines up from end). There it looks to …