Well let’s not go overboard over this. We’re talking of the accusative as the subject of an infinitive, and there’s nothing weird about that, it’s perfectly regular, and extremely common. Even in English we can say “I believe him to be an idiot” (Lat….
The Greek parallel that comes to mind for me is: “καὶ κατὰ γῆν καὶ κατὰ θάλατταν”. But the double-καί is necessary there.I see that when quoting these verses, many of the Greek writers like to drop the second ἀνὰ μέσον.For example, the non-Semitic Jul…
καὶ τὸν πεπηγμένον ἐξ ἀνεδράστων ἀνάγει ἡ γῆ βεβαία καὶ ἁρμονία σοφίαςAnd the solid ground and jointure/”harmony” of wisdom uplifts the affixed [cross of light] from unstable [things; perhaps the list that follows].Statistics: Posted by jeidsath — Tue…
BTW the reason I want an *exhaustive* concordance of the GNT is so I can find instances of various pronouns and particles in NT verses. Then I can use suchverses to help me remember what a particular pronoun or particle means. For example, if I can fi…
Hi all, now that the weekend has come, I’ve had a chance to look up the underlying sources, and they lean heavily in favour of Michael’s initial view (although not exactly the same). I’ve written up my notes below, in case of interest to others.This p…
Hi Joel, I don’t have a facsimile of the manuscript itself, but maybe it’s online: if anyone wanted to track it down, the 1983 critical edition describes manuscript C as sitting in the National Library of Austria, ref. ‘hist. gr. 63’, dated 1319, on p…
A nice try Joel. Chad noted the cross was fixed (πεπηγμένος) at the beginning of the section, so there can’t be much doubt about τὸν πεπηγμένον here—a different conception from the walking talking cross of the Gospel of Peter, but evidently reflecting…
dear Mitch,“ I *still* can’t remember all of it “I know very well how that feels! I had my last Greek-Lessons are 40 years ago. Even then I was horrible bad in Greek. Probably my old Greek-Teacher would be very astonished (and happy) to see, that now …
Credit to Michael for arriving at the same independently. (Though I didn’t quite understand his comment about “the translation’s ‘uplifting'”, lol.)Maybe someone can post the exact manuscript text without all these (very very esteemed) editorial specu…
I see we have ἀλλ’ ἢ not only in 4 but already in 2, and it’s well attested in the Septuagint. It’s an oddity—seemingly no different from simple ἀλλά in sense, though it’s sometimes said to be “stronger.” I think there may well have been some sort of …
thank you both for so clear answers with useful extra info!!I think my stumbling block was that I read ἐάν as εἰ + ἄν and I thought it was a conditional clause, and not only as ἄν as you suggest mwh. I see now that my “Classical Greek Grammar” §50.3 d…
τοῦ with the infinitive is a genitive of purpose. It’s a classical construction but not widely used without prepositions such as ἕνεκα. Accusative ἑτοίμους presumably because that’s the usual case with the subject and predicate of infinitives.3 Maccab…
The Greek parallel that comes to mind for me is: “καὶ κατὰ γῆν καὶ κατὰ θάλατταν”. But the double-καί is necessary there.I see that when quoting these verses, many of the Greek writers like to drop the second ἀνὰ μέσον.For example, the non-Semitic Jul…
Καὶ οὕτως ὑψοῦ[ται ἐ]πὶ ξύλου καὶ τίτλος πρόσκει[ται]τὸν πεφονευμένον σημαίνων. Τίς [οὗτ]ος; Τὸ εἰπεῖν βαρὺκαὶ τὸ μὴ εἰπεῖν φοβερώτερον. Πλὴν ἀκούσατε τρέμοντεςδι’ ὃν ἐτρόμησεν ἡ γῆ· Ὁ κρεμάσας τὴν γῆν κρέμαται. Ὁ πήξας τοὺς οὐρανοὺς πέπεκ[ται]. Ὁ στη…
I am so confused about this sentence in Acts of John 98: καὶ τὸν πεπηγμένον ἐξ ἀνεδράστων ἀνάγγη βιάβα καὶ ἁρμονία σοφίας·so, ἀνάγγη, is the verb (aor.pass.ind.) and βιάβα might be predicative to the implicit subject of ἀνάγγη. What I don’t get is τὸν…
I am glad that it – which is uncommon – is really the text that is the problem and not the interpreter :-)I will try to joggle a bit more. And does not help that both the content and the grammar is obscure!Statistics: Posted by Hortensius — Mon Oct 21…
New Testament Grammars have very little justification to exist outside of a religious belief that this collection of books of fairly varied language and style and authorship has some sort of grammatical unity imposed by God. This is not an idea that m…
In Revelation 13:15 English (LSB) – And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.Greek – καὶ ἐδόθη αὐτῷ δοῦναι…
“With regard to φθόνος” hardly fits. For πρὸς φθόνον, of course, we have LSJ.πρός.C.I.7 “πρός c.acc. freq. periphr. for Adv. …” Rather then context precluding it, God’s jealousy is in fact a frequent topic in scripture. Verse 4, with the accusation …
I think that the reader is probably supposed to understand the imagined event as a type spoken persuasion. But all the Greek says is that the beast “will make them so they’ll get put to death”. It’s not precise. Did the author imagine the beast orderi…