Here’s Polybius with an aorist of the same verb, taking a dative object. After laying out the main points of the treaty:Ταῦτα μὲν οὖν ὑπετυπώθη τότε κεφαλαιωδῶς περὶ τῶν διαλύσεων· ἔδει δὲ τούτοις πρῶτον μὲν εὐδοκῆσαι τοὺς Αἰτωλούς, μετὰ δὲ ταῦτα γίνε…
Thank you both for this thread, which was an eye-opener for me, too, for those exact reasons that @thestuffedowl explains. An accusative as the subject of a verb? Well, well. Whatever next!Statistics: Posted by BrianB — Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:58 pm
Is the answer really as simple as that? That’s good to know. Thank you, @mwh!Statistics: Posted by BrianB — Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:23 pm
Joel has tried to explain this to you patiently and so have I, although perhaps not so patiently. You look at what you call ”Scripture” (for me it’s just an old text) as if it were a puzzle that can be forced to mean anything you want by assembling th…
Yes I figured that that’s what had thrown you, the use of ἐάν for ἄν. It’s actually very common in post-classical texts. If you find ἐάν after a clause-initial relative such as ὅς or ὅστις (or ᾧ in this instance), that’s what it will be, not ἐάν “if.”…
Dunno. But if you squint and look sideways, it could be a riff on the second half of Ecc 12:7:καὶ τὸ πνεῦμα ἐπιστρέψῃ πρὸς τὸν θεόν, ὃς ἔδωκεν αὐτό.And the spirit returns to the God who gave itΠρὸς φθόνον ἐπιποθεῖ τὸ πνεῦμα ὃ κατῴκισεν ἐν ἡμῖνHe jealo…
Thanks for that. I need to have more thinking. Would you suggest that it could mean “force” the way some translations render it?I should clarify my argument; I’m not suggesting it is “more accurate” translation. It is prophetic language after all. I…
Hi Joel, I don’t have a facsimile of the manuscript itself, but maybe it’s online: if anyone wanted to track it down, the 1983 critical edition describes manuscript C as sitting in the National Library of Austria, ref. ‘hist. gr. 63’, dated 1319, on p…
vol 2 the Grammatical Focus is a peculiar lexiconsuppose you want to find all Nouns Fem.Acc.Plur. look at page XII Abbreviations and Symbols (archive.org scan page 18) you see N F A P.Look at the right page (uneaven pages) at the top right, you will f…
Καὶ οὕτως ὑψοῦ[ται ἐ]πὶ ξύλου καὶ τίτλος πρόσκει[ται]τὸν πεφονευμένον σημαίνων. Τίς [οὗτ]ος; Τὸ εἰπεῖν βαρὺκαὶ τὸ μὴ εἰπεῖν φοβερώτερον. Πλὴν ἀκούσατε τρέμοντεςδι’ ὃν ἐτρόμησεν ἡ γῆ· Ὁ κρεμάσας τὴν γῆν κρέμαται. Ὁ πήξας τοὺς οὐρανοὺς πέπεκ[ται]. Ὁ στη…
Hi all, now that the weekend has come, I’ve had a chance to look up the underlying sources, and they lean heavily in favour of Michael’s initial view (although not exactly the same). I’ve written up my notes below, in case of interest to others.This p…
One of the main uses of ποιεῖν is to “cause” things to be in a certain state or to happen. The Greeks used it like that all the way back to Homer.ἡ δ’ οὔτ’ ἀρνεῖται στυγερὸν γάμον οὔτε τελευτὴν / ποιῆσαι δύναταιAnd she [Penelope] neither refuses the o…
Hi Joel, I don’t have a facsimile of the manuscript itself, but maybe it’s online: if anyone wanted to track it down, the 1983 critical edition describes manuscript C as sitting in the National Library of Austria, ref. ‘hist. gr. 63’, dated 1319, on p…
Hi Joel, I don’t have a facsimile of the manuscript itself, but maybe it’s online: if anyone wanted to track it down, the 1983 critical edition describes manuscript C as sitting in the National Library of Austria, ref. ‘hist. gr. 63’, dated 1319, on p…
The fairly Pauline statements in Acts 26 are no doubt constructed from the letters (as in Acts the journeys of Paul are clearly creatively constructed by someone trying to give a narrative to the names and places mentioned). For Acts 26:29 in particul…
Even clearer would be Ecclesiastes 12:7, or Job 1:21: “καὶ τὸ πνεῦμα ἐπιστρέψῃ πρὸς τὸν θεόν, ὃς ἔδωκεν αὐτό”, or “αὐτὸς γυμνὸς ἐξῆλθον ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου, γυμνὸς καὶ ἀπελεύσομαι ἐκεῖ· ὁ κύριος ἔδωκεν, ὁ κύριος ἀφείλατο.” But God’s ultimate agency …
I’d guess that απο πρωιθεν in that inscription simply refers to the relatively recent past, some weeks ago, say, or just “early”; but I haven’t properly investigated.And I really can’t say why the LXX uses the construction. A quirk of low-level Jewish…
I had a very similar thought to mwh about its unintelligibility, and was casually trying to figure it out during the sermon at church this morning, having looked up the context on TLG just before. There appears to be a divine voice of some kind talkin…
Well let’s not go overboard over this. We’re talking of the accusative as the subject of an infinitive, and there’s nothing weird about that, it’s perfectly regular, and extremely common. Even in English we can say “I believe him to be an idiot” (Lat….
“With regard to φθόνος” hardly fits. For πρὸς φθόνον, of course, we have LSJ.πρός.C.I.7 “πρός c.acc. freq. periphr. for Adv. …” Rather then context precluding it, God’s jealousy is in fact a frequent topic in scripture. Verse 4, with the accusation …