ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 clayton stirling bartholomew c.s.bartholomew at worldnet.att.net
Wed Jul 21 13:59:48 EDT 1999
info on AIBI list (including how to subscribe) spaces in NA What is the referent of PNEUMATI found in ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI in Acts 18:25?Fitzmyer (Acts: AB) and FF Bruce (Acts c.1954), H.A.W. Meyer, think thatApollos was excited, worked up, enthusiastic or some such thing. Thetake PNEUMATI as the human spirit of Apollos. Barrett (Acts: ICC)questions this on several grounds. One being Luke’s evident interest inthe work of PNEUMA hAGION.I am wondering what impact the article has on this question, all themanuscripts cited in my sources read TWi PNEUMATI.–Clayton Stirling BartholomewThree Tree PointP.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
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ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 clayton stirling bartholomew c.s.bartholomew at worldnet.att.net
Wed Jul 21 13:59:48 EDT 1999
info on AIBI list (including how to subscribe) spaces in NA What is the referent of PNEUMATI found in ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI in Acts 18:25?Fitzmyer (Acts: AB) and FF Bruce (Acts c.1954), H.A.W. Meyer, think thatApollos was excited, worked up, enthusiastic or some such thing. Thetake PNEUMATI as the human spirit of Apollos. Barrett (Acts: ICC)questions this on several grounds. One being Luke’s evident interest inthe work of PNEUMA hAGION.I am wondering what impact the article has on this question, all themanuscripts cited in my sources read TWi PNEUMATI.–Clayton Stirling BartholomewThree Tree PointP.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
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ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Wed Jul 21 15:48:41 EDT 1999
NA spaces ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 At 10:59 AM -0700 7/21/99, clayton stirling bartholomew wrote:>What is the referent of PNEUMATI found in ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI in Acts>18:25?> >Fitzmyer (Acts: AB) and FF Bruce (Acts c.1954), H.A.W. Meyer, think that>Apollos was excited, worked up, enthusiastic or some such thing. The>take PNEUMATI as the human spirit of Apollos. Barrett (Acts: ICC)>questions this on several grounds. One being Luke’s evident interest in>the work of PNEUMA hAGION.> >I am wondering what impact the article has on this question, all the>manuscripts cited in my sources read TWi PNEUMATI.For my part, I don’t see how that question can be so simply resolved on thebasis of the article alone: TWi PNEUMATI could as easily be “with/in hisspirit” as “with in the [Holy] Spirit.” I think the decision betweenalternative explanations must be based upon one’s judgment of what Luke’sordinary usage of the word with the article must mean. I’m not thatconfident that there are clear and convincing grounds for choosing onealternative over the other.Carl W. ConradDepartment of Classics, Washington UniversitySummer: 1647 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243cwconrad at artsci.wustl.eduWWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 Steve Long steve at allegrographics.com
Wed Jul 21 16:20:53 EDT 1999
ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 NA spaces > >For my part, I don’t see how that question can be so simply resolved on the>basis of the article alone: TWi PNEUMATI could as easily be “with/in his>spirit” as “with in the [Holy] Spirit.” I think the decision between>alternative explanations must be based upon one’s judgment of what Luke’s>ordinary usage of the word with the article must mean. I’m not that>confident that there are clear and convincing grounds for choosing one>alternative over the other.> I did a quick search through Luke and Acts; Luke uses PNUEMA in variousforms without the article a large number of times for the Holy Spirit. Heoccasionally uses the article with the Holy Spirit (but almost always withhAGION), but references to a human spirit almost always include the articleto distinguish it as a particular spirit. I would say the evidence leanstoward Apollos’ spirit, especially since ZEWN is his personalcharacteristic and it is modified by TWi PNEUMATI. Besides, from thecontext he hasn’t received the baptism of the Holy Spirit yet. I don’t seehow he could be fervent in something he didn’t have yet.Steve–Christian is a noun that doesn’t need an adjective.——————————————————————————-| Allegro Graphics, Inc. — Allegro Digital Media, Inc. || 4132 Industrial Drive| | Saint Peters, Missouri 63376 || 1-888-819-8166 Toll Free| —————————————————————————–|Specializing in Database-Managed Printing and Webhosting|—————————————————————————–
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ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Wed Jul 21 15:48:41 EDT 1999
NA spaces ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 At 10:59 AM -0700 7/21/99, clayton stirling bartholomew wrote:>What is the referent of PNEUMATI found in ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI in Acts>18:25?> >Fitzmyer (Acts: AB) and FF Bruce (Acts c.1954), H.A.W. Meyer, think that>Apollos was excited, worked up, enthusiastic or some such thing. The>take PNEUMATI as the human spirit of Apollos. Barrett (Acts: ICC)>questions this on several grounds. One being Luke’s evident interest in>the work of PNEUMA hAGION.> >I am wondering what impact the article has on this question, all the>manuscripts cited in my sources read TWi PNEUMATI.For my part, I don’t see how that question can be so simply resolved on thebasis of the article alone: TWi PNEUMATI could as easily be “with/in hisspirit” as “with in the [Holy] Spirit.” I think the decision betweenalternative explanations must be based upon one’s judgment of what Luke’sordinary usage of the word with the article must mean. I’m not thatconfident that there are clear and convincing grounds for choosing onealternative over the other.Carl W. ConradDepartment of Classics, Washington UniversitySummer: 1647 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243cwconrad at artsci.wustl.eduWWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 Steve Long steve at allegrographics.com
Wed Jul 21 16:20:53 EDT 1999
ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 NA spaces > >For my part, I don’t see how that question can be so simply resolved on the>basis of the article alone: TWi PNEUMATI could as easily be “with/in his>spirit” as “with in the [Holy] Spirit.” I think the decision between>alternative explanations must be based upon one’s judgment of what Luke’s>ordinary usage of the word with the article must mean. I’m not that>confident that there are clear and convincing grounds for choosing one>alternative over the other.> I did a quick search through Luke and Acts; Luke uses PNUEMA in variousforms without the article a large number of times for the Holy Spirit. Heoccasionally uses the article with the Holy Spirit (but almost always withhAGION), but references to a human spirit almost always include the articleto distinguish it as a particular spirit. I would say the evidence leanstoward Apollos’ spirit, especially since ZEWN is his personalcharacteristic and it is modified by TWi PNEUMATI. Besides, from thecontext he hasn’t received the baptism of the Holy Spirit yet. I don’t seehow he could be fervent in something he didn’t have yet.Steve–Christian is a noun that doesn’t need an adjective.——————————————————————————-| Allegro Graphics, Inc. — Allegro Digital Media, Inc. || 4132 Industrial Drive| | Saint Peters, Missouri 63376 || 1-888-819-8166 Toll Free| —————————————————————————–|Specializing in Database-Managed Printing and Webhosting|—————————————————————————–
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ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 clayton stirling bartholomew c.s.bartholomew at worldnet.att.net
Wed Jul 21 16:59:02 EDT 1999
OCR I have had it! > I did a quick search through Luke and Acts; Luke uses PNUEMA in various> forms without the article a large number of times for the Holy Spirit. He> occasionally uses the article with the Holy Spirit (but almost always with> hAGION), but references to a human spirit almost always include the article> to distinguish it as a particular spirit. I would say the evidence leans> toward Apollos’ spirit, especially since ZEWN is his personal> characteristic and it is modified by TWi PNEUMATI. Besides, from the> context he hasn’t received the baptism of the Holy Spirit yet. I don’t see> how he could be fervent in something he didn’t have yet.> > SteveSteve and Carl,Steve’s comment:>Besides, from the> context he hasn’t received the baptism of the Holy Spirit yet.raises the question of Luke’s silence on this issue. In Acts 19:1-7 wehave an account which is connected by a similar theme where somedisciples of John are found to be deficient in several aspects and Luketells us how this situation is resolved. With Apollos we are not toldabout any deficiency except the one about who’s baptism he wasproclaiming. Barrett (Acts: ICC) finds this a reason to draw adistinction between Apollos and the disciples in 19:1-7. Barrettimplies that Apollos had already received the Holy Spirit and was onlymixed up on the difference between John’s baptism and Jesus’ baptism.This is substantially an argument from silence which is tenuous at best.However, the linguistic information that you have provided is directlyrelevant to my question and I thank you for it.Clay–Clayton Stirling BartholomewThree Tree PointP.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
OCRI have had it!
ZEWN TWi PNEUMATI Acts 18:25 clayton stirling bartholomew c.s.bartholomew at worldnet.att.net
Wed Jul 21 16:59:02 EDT 1999
OCR I have had it! > I did a quick search through Luke and Acts; Luke uses PNUEMA in various> forms without the article a large number of times for the Holy Spirit. He> occasionally uses the article with the Holy Spirit (but almost always with> hAGION), but references to a human spirit almost always include the article> to distinguish it as a particular spirit. I would say the evidence leans> toward Apollos’ spirit, especially since ZEWN is his personal> characteristic and it is modified by TWi PNEUMATI. Besides, from the> context he hasn’t received the baptism of the Holy Spirit yet. I don’t see> how he could be fervent in something he didn’t have yet.> > SteveSteve and Carl,Steve’s comment:>Besides, from the> context he hasn’t received the baptism of the Holy Spirit yet.raises the question of Luke’s silence on this issue. In Acts 19:1-7 wehave an account which is connected by a similar theme where somedisciples of John are found to be deficient in several aspects and Luketells us how this situation is resolved. With Apollos we are not toldabout any deficiency except the one about who’s baptism he wasproclaiming. Barrett (Acts: ICC) finds this a reason to draw adistinction between Apollos and the disciples in 19:1-7. Barrettimplies that Apollos had already received the Holy Spirit and was onlymixed up on the difference between John’s baptism and Jesus’ baptism.This is substantially an argument from silence which is tenuous at best.However, the linguistic information that you have provided is directlyrelevant to my question and I thank you for it.Clay–Clayton Stirling BartholomewThree Tree PointP.O. Box 255 Seahurst WA 98062
OCRI have had it!