[] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? Mitch Larramore mitchlarramore at yahoo.com
Thu Dec 22 20:30:14 EST 2005
[] Mark 2:19 DUNAMAI [] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? KAI EPHRWTA AUTON, TI ONOMA SOI; KAI LEGEI AUTWiLEGIWN ONOMA MOI, hOTI POLLOI ESMEN.Is not LEGEI singular? And isn’t MOI singular? TheMOI…POLLOI at first looked right, but then it seemsoff when I parse them. MOI…ESMEN seems inconsistentlikewise. “Legion is/was the name [given] to me,because we…”?Mitch LarramoreSugar Land, Texas__________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
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[] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? Carl W. Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Thu Dec 22 20:41:19 EST 2005
[] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? [] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? On Thursday, December 22, 2005, at 08:30PM, Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com> wrote:> > >KAI EPHRWTA AUTON, TI ONOMA SOI; KAI LEGEI AUTWi>LEGIWN ONOMA MOI, hOTI POLLOI ESMEN.> >Is not LEGEI singular? And isn’t MOI singular? The>MOI…POLLOI at first looked right, but then it seems>off when I parse them. MOI…ESMEN seems inconsistent>likewise. “Legion is/was the name [given] to me,>because we…”?LEGIWN is a Latin noun for a military legion; the demoniac is saying, “We are a host of the army of Satan,” in effect. He is the victim of multiple demoniac possession. Such a person can speak of himself in the singular and yet speak in the plural when the multiple personalities speak through his mouth.Carl W. ConradDepartment of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243cwconrad2 at mac.comWWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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[] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? Carlton Winbery winberycl at earthlink.net
Thu Dec 22 21:09:34 EST 2005
[] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? [] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? >KAI EPHRWTA AUTON, TI ONOMA SOI; KAI LEGEI AUTWi>LEGIWN ONOMA MOI, hOTI POLLOI ESMEN.> >Is not LEGEI singular? And isn’t MOI singular? The>MOI…POLLOI at first looked right, but then it seems>off when I parse them. MOI…ESMEN seems inconsistent>likewise. “Legion is/was the name [given] to me,>because we…”?> Mitch LarramoreObviously the story is told by the writer from the perspective of the man. For that reason the singular is used in the dialogue. The hOTI clause is an explanation of the name, thus the plural as a reference to the demons.Peace,– Carlton L. WinberyRetired Professor of ReligionLouisiana College318-448-6103winberycl at earthlink.netwinbery at lacollege.edu
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[] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? Arsenia Joaquin arseniajoaquin at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 24 02:07:53 EST 2005
[] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural? [] Perfect Passive Participles: Is the past action a processor punctiliar event? Eph. 2:8 KAI EPHRWTA AUTON, TI ONOMA SOI; KAI LEGEI AUTWiLEGIWN ONOMA MOI, hOTI POLLOI ESMEN. And He was asking him: “What is the name for thee?” And he says to Him: “Legion is the name for me, because we are many.” – THE WILL (A Plain Translation of The New Testament from Greek to English) Legion means the major unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 infantry troops and 100 to 200 cavalry troops. Or the adjective – constituting a large number; multitudinous: Her admirers were legion. His mistakes were legion. (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.) The unclean spirits entered into the pigs, about two thousand – drowned in the sea. I hope this explains. Arsenia R. Joaquin 628 Grapes St. Commonwealth, Quezon City Philippines 1121 arseniajoaquin at yahoo.com WWW: http://www.lulu.com/arseniajoaquin Carlton Winbery <winberycl at earthlink.net> wrote: >KAI EPHRWTA AUTON, TI ONOMA SOI; KAI LEGEI AUTWi>LEGIWN ONOMA MOI, hOTI POLLOI ESMEN.> >Is not LEGEI singular? And isn’t MOI singular? The>MOI…POLLOI at first looked right, but then it seems>off when I parse them. MOI…ESMEN seems inconsistent>likewise. “Legion is/was the name [given] to me,>because we…”?> Mitch LarramoreObviously the story is told by the writer from the perspective of the man. For that reason the singular is used in the dialogue. The hOTI clause is an explanation of the name, thus the plural as a reference to the demons.Peace,– Carlton L. WinberyRetired Professor of ReligionLouisiana College318-448-6103winberycl at earthlink.netwinbery at lacollege.edu— home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/ mailing list at lists.ibiblio.orghttp://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/ ———————————Yahoo! for Good – Make a difference this year.
[] Mark 5:9 Singular explained as Plural?[] Perfect Passive Participles: Is the past action a processor punctiliar event? Eph. 2:8
And He was asking him: “What is the name for thee?” And he says to Him: “Legion is the name for me, because we are many.” – THE WILL (A Plain Translation of The New Testament from Greek to English) Legion means the major unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 infantry troops and 100 to 200 cavalry troops.
When demonic warfare is engaged demons get organized
When the angels gather the weeds is for destruction
TD Jakes says when your enemies start getting together
GOD is gathering them for destruction Joseph D. Absher
Many a devil in the army that’s for sure. Can’t say about Navy but I think they got a few, in every port so to speak.
And He was asking him: “What is the name for thee?” And he says to Him: “Legion is the name for me, because we are many.” – THE WILL (A Plain Translation of The New Testament from Greek to English) Legion means the major unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 infantry troops and 100 to 200 cavalry troops.
When demonic warfare is engaged demons get organized
When the angels gather the weeds is for destruction
TD Jakes says when your enemies start getting together
GOD is gathering them for destruction Joseph D. Absher
I just offered for consideration the following question to Dan Irving We clearly see a legion of demons in the presence of Christ The Greek explains it clearly in Mk 5:9 IMO
The Legion was not very comfortable, was it? Neither was the demonized child who threw its host into convulsions at the sight of Christ. Neither were the deomized persons in the synagogue where Christ taught.
No they were not We just discussed this with Joseph D. Absher that both demons and demonized Christians get furious in the presence of deliverance ministry BUT my point again
1. There were present where Jesus was => it is possible
2. They did not leave until cast out => it is possible for them to be uncomfortable and still stay inside after words.
I even dare speculate that because of the little talk they had with Jesus IF Jesus did not cast them out they would have remained in the said man of covenant.
The church dont need to make demonized uncomfortable It needs to cast them demons out like Jesus did Just a little talk with Jesus just dont cut it out. Deliverance ministry and casting them out does Robert Borders
Brother Dan Irving I was considering a reasonable response to your statement last night but had some other business.
We believe God is omnipresent. The Holy Spirit is omnipresent but the devil still roams the earth seeking whom he may devour. I’m sure you must mean the emmursion of the holy Spirit in the life and soul of the believer. But I think you can understand my point. The Holy Spirit does not exclude unbelief or sin or the presence and influence of the enemy. If anything the holy Spirit exposes those things and necessarily must be present in God’s deliverance
Just for clarification The verse says:
the devil as a roaring lion walketh about, seeking whom he may devour
It is NOT explicitly stated devil resides on earth
Our knowledge is he is ruller in the air
Man was placed on earth to rule the worlds
We are commanded to be “filled with the Spirit.” This suggests the believer, although professing faith, may be lacking in the Spirit of God. He may go to church, talk Christian-talk, preach/teach/minister, etc., and yet be depleted of the true agency of the Spirit of Christ; which is God’s presence. That void will be filled by something. God has a temple. But we know from scripture that corruptions may enter that temple; even THAT must be prepared and cleansed, and there is a day “when the Lord whom ye seek shall suddenly appear in His temple (Mal 3:1), and His effect is not without upset according to Isaiah, “Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Whom among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?” (Is. 33:14). To the effect we dwell, at rest, in the fire of God’s presence, is the extent to which God has purged His temple. But apparently, God’s power may operate without respect to our own condition, as “many” shall cast out devils in His name without Christ having known them. And so, the depleted professor of Christ may continue to minister by divine gifts and the power of the Spirit, while in this state. And, it appears a state which leads to profound presumption and deception.
Many a devil in the army that’s for sure. Can’t say about Navy but I think they got a few, in every port so to speak.
I just offered for consideration the following question to Dan Irving We clearly see a legion of demons in the presence of Christ The Greek explains it clearly in Mk 5:9 IMO
The Legion was not very comfortable, was it? Neither was the demonized child who threw its host into convulsions at the sight of Christ. Neither were the deomized persons in the synagogue where Christ taught.
No they were not We just discussed this with Joseph D. Absher that both demons and demonized Christians get furious in the presence of deliverance ministry BUT my point again
1. There were present where Jesus was => it is possible
2. They did not leave until cast out => it is possible for them to be uncomfortable and still stay inside after words.
I even dare speculate that because of the little talk they had with Jesus IF Jesus did not cast them out they would have remained in the said man of covenant.
The church dont need to make demonized uncomfortable It needs to cast them demons out like Jesus did Just a little talk with Jesus just dont cut it out. Deliverance ministry and casting them out does Robert Borders
Brother Dan Irving I was considering a reasonable response to your statement last night but had some other business.
We believe God is omnipresent. The Holy Spirit is omnipresent but the devil still roams the earth seeking whom he may devour. I’m sure you must mean the emmursion of the holy Spirit in the life and soul of the believer. But I think you can understand my point. The Holy Spirit does not exclude unbelief or sin or the presence and influence of the enemy. If anything the holy Spirit exposes those things and necessarily must be present in God’s deliverance
Just for clarification The verse says:
the devil as a roaring lion walketh about, seeking whom he may devour
It is NOT explicitly stated devil resides on earth
Our knowledge is he is ruller in the air
Man was placed on earth to rule the worlds
We are commanded to be “filled with the Spirit.” This suggests the believer, although professing faith, may be lacking in the Spirit of God. He may go to church, talk Christian-talk, preach/teach/minister, etc., and yet be depleted of the true agency of the Spirit of Christ; which is God’s presence. That void will be filled by something. God has a temple. But we know from scripture that corruptions may enter that temple; even THAT must be prepared and cleansed, and there is a day “when the Lord whom ye seek shall suddenly appear in His temple (Mal 3:1), and His effect is not without upset according to Isaiah, “Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Whom among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?” (Is. 33:14). To the effect we dwell, at rest, in the fire of God’s presence, is the extent to which God has purged His temple. But apparently, God’s power may operate without respect to our own condition, as “many” shall cast out devils in His name without Christ having known them. And so, the depleted professor of Christ may continue to minister by divine gifts and the power of the Spirit, while in this state. And, it appears a state which leads to profound presumption and deception.