2 Corinthians 12:2

The Third Heaven Eric Weiss eweiss at gte.net
Fri Jun 12 22:03:56 EDT 1998

Further on Gal 1:9 acc of person ABOUT 2 Cor 5:17 (Jorge Chiri G.) In a book I read recently the author states (referring to Paul’sstatement in II Corinthians 12:2 about being caught up to the thirdheaven – hARPAGENTA … hEWS TRITOU OURANOU) that “the first heaven wasbefore the fall of man,” “the second heaven is the spiritual realmduring the reign of evil upon the earth” (i.e., now), and “the thirdheaven is when the love and domain of the Father will again prevail overthe earth through the King.”I had always interpreted Paul’s statement to mean third in terms oflevels or heights – or even to mean (hyperbole) “the heaven of heavens”- but I had NEVER interpreted it to mean third in terms of time. I’dthink that the verb hARPAZW (in 12:2 a participle, but in 12:4 thesimple indicative – hHRPAGH EIS TON PARADEISON) followed first by hEWSthen EIS would seem to support that the apostle was taken up to theLEVEL of “the third heaven” rather than taken FORWARD IN TIME to thetime of (or to see the time of) “the third heaven” (even if Paul was”snatched/caught away in a vision or trance” to see future things).–“Eric S. Weiss”http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htmeweiss at gte.netS.D.G.

Further on Gal 1:9 acc of personABOUT 2 Cor 5:17 (Jorge Chiri G.)

The Third Heaven Eric Weiss eweiss at gte.net
Fri Jun 12 22:03:56 EDT 1998

Further on Gal 1:9 acc of person ABOUT 2 Cor 5:17 (Jorge Chiri G.) In a book I read recently the author states (referring to Paul’sstatement in II Corinthians 12:2 about being caught up to the thirdheaven – hARPAGENTA … hEWS TRITOU OURANOU) that “the first heaven wasbefore the fall of man,” “the second heaven is the spiritual realmduring the reign of evil upon the earth” (i.e., now), and “the thirdheaven is when the love and domain of the Father will again prevail overthe earth through the King.”I had always interpreted Paul’s statement to mean third in terms oflevels or heights – or even to mean (hyperbole) “the heaven of heavens”- but I had NEVER interpreted it to mean third in terms of time. I’dthink that the verb hARPAZW (in 12:2 a participle, but in 12:4 thesimple indicative – hHRPAGH EIS TON PARADEISON) followed first by hEWSthen EIS would seem to support that the apostle was taken up to theLEVEL of “the third heaven” rather than taken FORWARD IN TIME to thetime of (or to see the time of) “the third heaven” (even if Paul was”snatched/caught away in a vision or trance” to see future things).–“Eric S. Weiss”http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htmeweiss at gte.netS.D.G.

Further on Gal 1:9 acc of personABOUT 2 Cor 5:17 (Jorge Chiri G.)

The Third Heaven Steven Cox scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net
Sat Jun 13 03:32:36 EDT 1998

ABOUT 2 Cor 5:17 (Jorge Chiri G.) Traveling Greeks (was SBL in Poland) Hi Eric I’ve heard the below mentioned interpretation below, with supporting reference from counting the uses of OURANOS in 2Peter 3:5~13, and hence to the time travel idea for Paul (is this influenced also by E=mc2?) However…. given the context of IICo12:2 is related to the more traditional Jewish faction in 11:22~23 maybe we should look to more traditional Jewish sources for Paul’s language rather than attempt to fit the words into 2Peter. EWS TRITOU OURANOU has a wealth of refs in BAGD, of which the most relevant is Apoc Moses 37 where TRITOS OURANOS and PARADEISOS are linked. This is a related to a theme of Jewish apocalyptic literature where “tours of heaven” were so popular that most of the famous OT figures got given the trip courtesy of archangel and part-time tour guide Michael. My theory (for the little that it is worth) is that the PSEUDOAPOSTOLOI in Corinth were claiming they had been on a tour so Paul hit back with a description of his own vision 14 years previously. But the whole passage is so laced with sarcasm it is not easy to untangle. By the way I just love the way NIV renders TWN hUPERLIAN APOSTOLOWN in 11:5 as “Superapostles”. Very cool. I’ll dig out the Apoc Moses quote and post it. Cheers Steven PS: hARPAZW doesn’t imply height does it? That would be be *AN*ARPAZW TOIS ONUXIN as in Aristophanes’ Vespae 17.At 21:03 98/06/12 -0500, Eric Weiss wrote:>In a book I read recently the author states (referring to Paul’s>statement in II Corinthians 12:2 about being caught up to the third>heaven – hARPAGENTA … hEWS TRITOU OURANOU) that “the first heaven was>before the fall of man,” “the second heaven is the spiritual realm>during the reign of evil upon the earth” (i.e., now), and “the third>heaven is when the love and domain of the Father will again prevail over>the earth through the King.”> >I had always interpreted Paul’s statement to mean third in terms of>levels or heights – or even to mean (hyperbole) “the heaven of heavens”>– but I had NEVER interpreted it to mean third in terms of time. I’d>think that the verb hARPAZW (in 12:2 a participle, but in 12:4 the>simple indicative – hHRPAGH EIS TON PARADEISON) followed first by hEWS>then EIS would seem to support that the apostle was taken up to the>LEVEL of “the third heaven” rather than taken FORWARD IN TIME to the>time of (or to see the time of) “the third heaven” (even if Paul was>“snatched/caught away in a vision or trance” to see future things).> >>“Eric S. Weiss”>http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htm>eweiss at gte.net>S.D.G.> > > >> home page: http://sunsite.unc.edu/>To post a message to the list, mailto: at franklin.oit.unc.edu>To subscribe, mailto:subscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu>To unsubscribe,mailto:unsubscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu?subject=[scox at ns1.chinaonline.com.cn.net]> >

ABOUT 2 Cor 5:17 (Jorge Chiri G.)Traveling Greeks (was SBL in Poland)

The Third Heaven Steven Cox scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net
Sat Jun 13 03:32:36 EDT 1998

ABOUT 2 Cor 5:17 (Jorge Chiri G.) Traveling Greeks (was SBL in Poland) Hi Eric I’ve heard the below mentioned interpretation below, with supporting reference from counting the uses of OURANOS in 2Peter 3:5~13, and hence to the time travel idea for Paul (is this influenced also by E=mc2?) However…. given the context of IICo12:2 is related to the more traditional Jewish faction in 11:22~23 maybe we should look to more traditional Jewish sources for Paul’s language rather than attempt to fit the words into 2Peter. EWS TRITOU OURANOU has a wealth of refs in BAGD, of which the most relevant is Apoc Moses 37 where TRITOS OURANOS and PARADEISOS are linked. This is a related to a theme of Jewish apocalyptic literature where “tours of heaven” were so popular that most of the famous OT figures got given the trip courtesy of archangel and part-time tour guide Michael. My theory (for the little that it is worth) is that the PSEUDOAPOSTOLOI in Corinth were claiming they had been on a tour so Paul hit back with a description of his own vision 14 years previously. But the whole passage is so laced with sarcasm it is not easy to untangle. By the way I just love the way NIV renders TWN hUPERLIAN APOSTOLOWN in 11:5 as “Superapostles”. Very cool. I’ll dig out the Apoc Moses quote and post it. Cheers Steven PS: hARPAZW doesn’t imply height does it? That would be be *AN*ARPAZW TOIS ONUXIN as in Aristophanes’ Vespae 17.At 21:03 98/06/12 -0500, Eric Weiss wrote:>In a book I read recently the author states (referring to Paul’s>statement in II Corinthians 12:2 about being caught up to the third>heaven – hARPAGENTA … hEWS TRITOU OURANOU) that “the first heaven was>before the fall of man,” “the second heaven is the spiritual realm>during the reign of evil upon the earth” (i.e., now), and “the third>heaven is when the love and domain of the Father will again prevail over>the earth through the King.”> >I had always interpreted Paul’s statement to mean third in terms of>levels or heights – or even to mean (hyperbole) “the heaven of heavens”>– but I had NEVER interpreted it to mean third in terms of time. I’d>think that the verb hARPAZW (in 12:2 a participle, but in 12:4 the>simple indicative – hHRPAGH EIS TON PARADEISON) followed first by hEWS>then EIS would seem to support that the apostle was taken up to the>LEVEL of “the third heaven” rather than taken FORWARD IN TIME to the>time of (or to see the time of) “the third heaven” (even if Paul was>“snatched/caught away in a vision or trance” to see future things).> >>“Eric S. Weiss”>http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htm>eweiss at gte.net>S.D.G.> > > >> home page: http://sunsite.unc.edu/>To post a message to the list, mailto: at franklin.oit.unc.edu>To subscribe, mailto:subscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu>To unsubscribe,mailto:unsubscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu?subject=[scox at ns1.chinaonline.com.cn.net]> >

ABOUT 2 Cor 5:17 (Jorge Chiri G.)Traveling Greeks (was SBL in Poland)

Fwd: Re: The Third Heaven Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sat Jun 13 06:48:57 EDT 1998

Mark 2:23b Fwd: Re: The Third Heaven (Apoc Moses 37) >Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:13:39 +0800>X-Sender: scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net>Mime-Version: 1.0>To: eweiss at gte.net>From: Steven Cox <scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net>>Subject: Re: The Third Heaven>Cc: cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu, jonathan at texcel.no>Status:> > Hi Eric> I’ve heard the below mentioned interpretation below,> with supporting reference from counting the uses of> OURANOS in 2Peter 3:5~13, and hence to the time travel> idea for Paul (is this influenced also by E=mc2?)> > However…. given the context of IICo12:2 is related> to the more traditional Jewish faction in 11:22~23> maybe we should look to more traditional Jewish> sources for Paul’s language rather than attempt to> fit the words into 2Peter.> > EWS TRITOU OURANOU has a wealth of refs in BAGD,> of which the most relevant is Apoc Moses 37 where> TRITOS OURANOS and PARADEISOS are linked. This is> a related to a theme of Jewish apocalyptic literature> where “tours of heaven” were so popular that most of> the famous OT figures got given the trip courtesy of> archangel and part-time tour guide Michael.> > My theory (for the little that it is worth) is that the> PSEUDOAPOSTOLOI in Corinth were claiming they had been> on a tour so Paul hit back with a description of his> own vision 14 years previously. But the whole passage> is so laced with sarcasm it is not easy to untangle.> > By the way I just love the way NIV renders TWN hUPERLIAN> APOSTOLOWN in 11:5 as “Superapostles”. Very cool.> > I’ll dig out the Apoc Moses quote and post it.> Cheers> Steven> > PS: hARPAZW doesn’t imply height does it? That would be> be *AN*ARPAZW TOIS ONUXIN as in Aristophanes’ Vespae 17.> > >At 21:03 98/06/12 -0500, Eric Weiss wrote:>>In a book I read recently the author states (referring to Paul’s>>statement in II Corinthians 12:2 about being caught up to the third>>heaven – hARPAGENTA … hEWS TRITOU OURANOU) that “the first heaven was>>before the fall of man,” “the second heaven is the spiritual realm>>during the reign of evil upon the earth” (i.e., now), and “the third>>heaven is when the love and domain of the Father will again prevail over>>the earth through the King.”>> >>I had always interpreted Paul’s statement to mean third in terms of>>levels or heights – or even to mean (hyperbole) “the heaven of heavens”>>– but I had NEVER interpreted it to mean third in terms of time. I’d>>think that the verb hARPAZW (in 12:2 a participle, but in 12:4 the>>simple indicative – hHRPAGH EIS TON PARADEISON) followed first by hEWS>>then EIS would seem to support that the apostle was taken up to the>>LEVEL of “the third heaven” rather than taken FORWARD IN TIME to the>>time of (or to see the time of) “the third heaven” (even if Paul was>>“snatched/caught away in a vision or trance” to see future things).>> >>>>“Eric S. Weiss”>>http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htm>>eweiss at gte.net>>S.D.G.>> >> >> >>>> home page: http://sunsite.unc.edu/>>To post a message to the list, mailto: at franklin.oit.unc.edu>>To subscribe, mailto:subscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu>>To unsubscribe,>mailto:unsubscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu?subject=[scox at ns1.chinaonlin>e.com.cn.net]>> >> >

Mark 2:23bFwd: Re: The Third Heaven (Apoc Moses 37)

Fwd: Re: The Third Heaven (Apoc Moses 37) Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sat Jun 13 06:49:37 EDT 1998

Fwd: Re: The Third Heaven Philo Exsecr. >Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:13:59 +0800>X-Sender: scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net>Mime-Version: 1.0>To: eweiss at gte.net>From: Steven Cox <scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net>>Subject: Re: The Third Heaven (Apoc Moses 37)>Cc: cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu, jonathan at texcel.no>Status:> > >Hi again Eric>Sorry not quite as promised – English only. If it can wait I can>supply you with the original Greek text in a couple of weeks.>Cheers>Steven> >37 While Seth was speaking to his mother, an angel sounded the>trumpet and the angels who were lying on their faces stood up>and cried out with a fearful voice saying, “Blessed be the glory>of the Lord over his works, he has had mercy on Adam, the work>of his hands”. When the angels had shouted out these things, one>of the six-winged seraphim came and carried Adam off to the lake>of Acheron and washed him three times in the presence of God. He>lay three hours, and so the Lord of all, sitting on his holy>throne, stretched out his hands and took adam and handed him over>to the archangel Michael, saying to him, “Take him up into paradise,>to the third heaven, and leave him there until that great and>fearful day which I am about to establish for the world.” And the>archangel Michael took Adam and brought him away and left him,>just as God told him at the pardoning of Adam.>[Trans M.D.Johnson in Charlesworth OT Pseudepigrapha 1983]>

Fwd: Re: The Third HeavenPhilo Exsecr.

Fwd: Re: The Third Heaven Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sat Jun 13 06:48:57 EDT 1998

Mark 2:23b Fwd: Re: The Third Heaven (Apoc Moses 37) >Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:13:39 +0800>X-Sender: scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net>Mime-Version: 1.0>To: eweiss at gte.net>From: Steven Cox <scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net>>Subject: Re: The Third Heaven>Cc: cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu, jonathan at texcel.no>Status:> > Hi Eric> I’ve heard the below mentioned interpretation below,> with supporting reference from counting the uses of> OURANOS in 2Peter 3:5~13, and hence to the time travel> idea for Paul (is this influenced also by E=mc2?)> > However…. given the context of IICo12:2 is related> to the more traditional Jewish faction in 11:22~23> maybe we should look to more traditional Jewish> sources for Paul’s language rather than attempt to> fit the words into 2Peter.> > EWS TRITOU OURANOU has a wealth of refs in BAGD,> of which the most relevant is Apoc Moses 37 where> TRITOS OURANOS and PARADEISOS are linked. This is> a related to a theme of Jewish apocalyptic literature> where “tours of heaven” were so popular that most of> the famous OT figures got given the trip courtesy of> archangel and part-time tour guide Michael.> > My theory (for the little that it is worth) is that the> PSEUDOAPOSTOLOI in Corinth were claiming they had been> on a tour so Paul hit back with a description of his> own vision 14 years previously. But the whole passage> is so laced with sarcasm it is not easy to untangle.> > By the way I just love the way NIV renders TWN hUPERLIAN> APOSTOLOWN in 11:5 as “Superapostles”. Very cool.> > I’ll dig out the Apoc Moses quote and post it.> Cheers> Steven> > PS: hARPAZW doesn’t imply height does it? That would be> be *AN*ARPAZW TOIS ONUXIN as in Aristophanes’ Vespae 17.> > >At 21:03 98/06/12 -0500, Eric Weiss wrote:>>In a book I read recently the author states (referring to Paul’s>>statement in II Corinthians 12:2 about being caught up to the third>>heaven – hARPAGENTA … hEWS TRITOU OURANOU) that “the first heaven was>>before the fall of man,” “the second heaven is the spiritual realm>>during the reign of evil upon the earth” (i.e., now), and “the third>>heaven is when the love and domain of the Father will again prevail over>>the earth through the King.”>> >>I had always interpreted Paul’s statement to mean third in terms of>>levels or heights – or even to mean (hyperbole) “the heaven of heavens”>>– but I had NEVER interpreted it to mean third in terms of time. I’d>>think that the verb hARPAZW (in 12:2 a participle, but in 12:4 the>>simple indicative – hHRPAGH EIS TON PARADEISON) followed first by hEWS>>then EIS would seem to support that the apostle was taken up to the>>LEVEL of “the third heaven” rather than taken FORWARD IN TIME to the>>time of (or to see the time of) “the third heaven” (even if Paul was>>“snatched/caught away in a vision or trance” to see future things).>> >>>>“Eric S. Weiss”>>http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htm>>eweiss at gte.net>>S.D.G.>> >> >> >>>> home page: http://sunsite.unc.edu/>>To post a message to the list, mailto: at franklin.oit.unc.edu>>To subscribe, mailto:subscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu>>To unsubscribe,>mailto:unsubscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu?subject=[scox at ns1.chinaonlin>e.com.cn.net]>> >> >

Mark 2:23bFwd: Re: The Third Heaven (Apoc Moses 37)

Fwd: Re: The Third Heaven (Apoc Moses 37) Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sat Jun 13 06:49:37 EDT 1998

Fwd: Re: The Third Heaven Philo Exsecr. >Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:13:59 +0800>X-Sender: scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net>Mime-Version: 1.0>To: eweiss at gte.net>From: Steven Cox <scox at chinaonline.com.cn.net>>Subject: Re: The Third Heaven (Apoc Moses 37)>Cc: cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu, jonathan at texcel.no>Status:> > >Hi again Eric>Sorry not quite as promised – English only. If it can wait I can>supply you with the original Greek text in a couple of weeks.>Cheers>Steven> >37 While Seth was speaking to his mother, an angel sounded the>trumpet and the angels who were lying on their faces stood up>and cried out with a fearful voice saying, “Blessed be the glory>of the Lord over his works, he has had mercy on Adam, the work>of his hands”. When the angels had shouted out these things, one>of the six-winged seraphim came and carried Adam off to the lake>of Acheron and washed him three times in the presence of God. He>lay three hours, and so the Lord of all, sitting on his holy>throne, stretched out his hands and took adam and handed him over>to the archangel Michael, saying to him, “Take him up into paradise,>to the third heaven, and leave him there until that great and>fearful day which I am about to establish for the world.” And the>archangel Michael took Adam and brought him away and left him,>just as God told him at the pardoning of Adam.>[Trans M.D.Johnson in Charlesworth OT Pseudepigrapha 1983]>

Fwd: Re: The Third HeavenPhilo Exsecr.

The Third Heaven Eric Weiss eweiss at gte.net
Sat Jun 13 13:56:16 EDT 1998

Philo Exsecr. accusative in Gal 1.9 I once noted that in IV(?) Enoch (The Book of the Secrets of Enoch),Enoch is taken on a tour of the 7 Heavens, and it is in the Third Heaventhat he sees (from http://www.takeitbyforce.com/2enoch01-68.htm):Chapter 8Of the assumption of Enoch to the third heaven1And those men took me thence, and led me up on to the third heaven, andplaced me there; and I looked downwards, andsaw the produce of these places, such as has never been known forgoodness.2And I saw all the sweet-flowering trees and beheld their fruits, whichwere sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne by thembubbling with fragrant exhalation.3And in the midst of the trees that of life, in that place whereon theLord rests, when he goes up into paradise; and this tree is ofineffable goodness and fragrance, and adorned more than every existingthing; and on all sides it is in form gold-looking andvermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from allfruits.4Its root is in the garden at the earth’s end.5And paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility.6And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and theirsprings send forth oil and wine, and they separate intofour parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into thePARADISE OF EDEN, between corruptibility andincorruptibility.7And thence they go forth along the earth, and have a revolution totheir circle even as other elements.8And here there is no unfruitful tree, and every place is blessed.9And there are three hundred angels very bright, who keep the garden,and with incessant sweet singing and never-silentvoices serve the Lord throughout all days and hours.10And I said: How very sweet is this place, and those men said to me: Chapter 9The showing to Enoch of the place of the righteous and compassionate1This place, O Enoch, is prepared for the righteous, who endure allmanner of offence from those that exasperate their souls,who avert their eyes from iniquity, and make righteous judgment, andgive bread to the hungering, and cover the naked withclothing, and raise up the fallen, and help injured orphans, and whowalk without fault before the face of the Lord, and servehim alone, and for them is prepared this place for eternal inheritance. Chapter 10Here they showed Enoch the terrible place and various tortures1And those two men led me up on to the Northern side, and showed methere a very terrible place, and there were all mannerof tortures in that place: cruel darkness and unillumined gloom, andthere is no light there, but murky fire constantly flaming aloft,and there is a fiery river coming forth, and that whole place iseverywhere fire, and everywhere there is frost and ice, thirst andshivering, while the bonds are very cruel, and the angels fearful andmerciless, bearing angry weapons, merciless torture, and Isaid:2Woe, woe, how very terrible is this place.3And those men said to me: This place, O Enoch, is prepared for thosewho dishonour God, who on earth practice sin againstnature, which is child-corruption after the sodomitic fashion,magic-making, enchantments and devilish witchcrafts, and whoboast of their wicked deeds, stealing, lies, calumnies, envy, rancour,fornication, murder, and who, accursed, steal the souls ofmen, who, seeing the poor take away their goods and themselves wax rich,injuring them for other men’s goods; who beingable to satisfy the empty, made the hungering to die; being able toclothe, stripped the naked; and who knew not their creator,and bowed to the soulless and lifeless gods, who cannot see nor hear,vain gods, who also built hewn images and bow downto unclean handiwork, for all these is prepared this place among these,for eternal inheritance.—Steven Cox wrote:> Hi again Eric> Sorry not quite as promised – English only. If it can wait I can> supply you with the original Greek text in a couple of weeks.> Cheers> Steven> > 37 While Seth was speaking to his mother, an angel sounded the> trumpet and the angels who were lying on their faces stood up> and cried out with a fearful voice saying, “Blessed be the glory> of the Lord over his works, he has had mercy on Adam, the work> of his hands”. When the angels had shouted out these things, one> of the six-winged seraphim came and carried Adam off to the lake> of Acheron and washed him three times in the presence of God. He> lay three hours, and so the Lord of all, sitting on his holy> throne, stretched out his hands and took adam and handed him over> to the archangel Michael, saying to him, “Take him up into paradise,> to the third heaven, and leave him there until that great and> fearful day which I am about to establish for the world.” And the> archangel Michael took Adam and brought him away and left him,> just as God told him at the pardoning of Adam.> [Trans M.D.Johnson in Charlesworth OT Pseudepigrapha 1983]–“Eric S. and Karol-Ann Weiss”http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htmeweiss at gte.netS.D.G.

Philo Exsecr.accusative in Gal 1.9

The Third Heaven Eric Weiss eweiss at gte.net
Sat Jun 13 13:56:16 EDT 1998

Philo Exsecr. accusative in Gal 1.9 I once noted that in IV(?) Enoch (The Book of the Secrets of Enoch),Enoch is taken on a tour of the 7 Heavens, and it is in the Third Heaventhat he sees (from http://www.takeitbyforce.com/2enoch01-68.htm):Chapter 8Of the assumption of Enoch to the third heaven1And those men took me thence, and led me up on to the third heaven, andplaced me there; and I looked downwards, andsaw the produce of these places, such as has never been known forgoodness.2And I saw all the sweet-flowering trees and beheld their fruits, whichwere sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne by thembubbling with fragrant exhalation.3And in the midst of the trees that of life, in that place whereon theLord rests, when he goes up into paradise; and this tree is ofineffable goodness and fragrance, and adorned more than every existingthing; and on all sides it is in form gold-looking andvermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from allfruits.4Its root is in the garden at the earth’s end.5And paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility.6And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and theirsprings send forth oil and wine, and they separate intofour parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into thePARADISE OF EDEN, between corruptibility andincorruptibility.7And thence they go forth along the earth, and have a revolution totheir circle even as other elements.8And here there is no unfruitful tree, and every place is blessed.9And there are three hundred angels very bright, who keep the garden,and with incessant sweet singing and never-silentvoices serve the Lord throughout all days and hours.10And I said: How very sweet is this place, and those men said to me: Chapter 9The showing to Enoch of the place of the righteous and compassionate1This place, O Enoch, is prepared for the righteous, who endure allmanner of offence from those that exasperate their souls,who avert their eyes from iniquity, and make righteous judgment, andgive bread to the hungering, and cover the naked withclothing, and raise up the fallen, and help injured orphans, and whowalk without fault before the face of the Lord, and servehim alone, and for them is prepared this place for eternal inheritance. Chapter 10Here they showed Enoch the terrible place and various tortures1And those two men led me up on to the Northern side, and showed methere a very terrible place, and there were all mannerof tortures in that place: cruel darkness and unillumined gloom, andthere is no light there, but murky fire constantly flaming aloft,and there is a fiery river coming forth, and that whole place iseverywhere fire, and everywhere there is frost and ice, thirst andshivering, while the bonds are very cruel, and the angels fearful andmerciless, bearing angry weapons, merciless torture, and Isaid:2Woe, woe, how very terrible is this place.3And those men said to me: This place, O Enoch, is prepared for thosewho dishonour God, who on earth practice sin againstnature, which is child-corruption after the sodomitic fashion,magic-making, enchantments and devilish witchcrafts, and whoboast of their wicked deeds, stealing, lies, calumnies, envy, rancour,fornication, murder, and who, accursed, steal the souls ofmen, who, seeing the poor take away their goods and themselves wax rich,injuring them for other men’s goods; who beingable to satisfy the empty, made the hungering to die; being able toclothe, stripped the naked; and who knew not their creator,and bowed to the soulless and lifeless gods, who cannot see nor hear,vain gods, who also built hewn images and bow downto unclean handiwork, for all these is prepared this place among these,for eternal inheritance.—Steven Cox wrote:> Hi again Eric> Sorry not quite as promised – English only. If it can wait I can> supply you with the original Greek text in a couple of weeks.> Cheers> Steven> > 37 While Seth was speaking to his mother, an angel sounded the> trumpet and the angels who were lying on their faces stood up> and cried out with a fearful voice saying, “Blessed be the glory> of the Lord over his works, he has had mercy on Adam, the work> of his hands”. When the angels had shouted out these things, one> of the six-winged seraphim came and carried Adam off to the lake> of Acheron and washed him three times in the presence of God. He> lay three hours, and so the Lord of all, sitting on his holy> throne, stretched out his hands and took adam and handed him over> to the archangel Michael, saying to him, “Take him up into paradise,> to the third heaven, and leave him there until that great and> fearful day which I am about to establish for the world.” And the> archangel Michael took Adam and brought him away and left him,> just as God told him at the pardoning of Adam.> [Trans M.D.Johnson in Charlesworth OT Pseudepigrapha 1983]–“Eric S. and Karol-Ann Weiss”http://home1.gte.net/eweiss/index.htmeweiss at gte.netS.D.G.

Philo Exsecr.accusative in Gal 1.9

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  1. Not lately. Jesus did help me today. then he got me in trouble. This guy I know been sleeping with a woman ten years, lives with her, talking about lust is soo hard. The ministers of Christ want to comfort the poor brother. I can’t tell them what I know but I did tell him, “you got have conviction to be free.” Everybody looked at me like I’m so mean.
    Heaven is nice. Jesus lives there. Maybe one day he’ll let us stay. I tell you I made a big mistake one time. I got on my knees at Jesus feet and begged to go back to earth and tell everybody about heaven. Jesus is brighter than a thousand sun’s but he don’t hurt the eyes. Nice.
    That was the dumbest prayer I ever prayed.

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