Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 George Goolde goolde at mtnempire.net
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Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Mon May 24 05:28:23 EDT 1999
Plenary Genitive Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 At 1:06 AM -0700 5/24/99, George Goolde wrote:>What, if anything, is the significance of the present tense of the>infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25: “dei gar auton basileuin”?>Does the present infinitive after dei say anything about the time of the>reign relative to the time of writing?Text: DEI GAR AUTON BASILEUEIN ACRI hOU QHi PANTAS TOUS ECQROUS hUPO TOUSPODAS AUTOU.I think rather that the tense of the infinitive is a matter of aspect:continuous, and that the governing verb here is DEI, and since that ispresent (I don’t recall ever seeing the impersonal DEI other than inpresent, future,or imperfect), I don’t really see how there is anyindication whatsoever of the time of reigning relative to the time ofwriting. If one should attempt what Will Wagers called a “hypertranslation”of this, I’d do it thus: “the obligation remains for him to keep reigninguntil he has put all his foes beneath his feet.” But the contextualtemporal setting for this, it seems to me, has to be derived from thefuture of 1 Cor 15:22 ZWiOPOIHQHSONTAI. The present tense of DEI thus mustrefer to a sequence within the future, but it is not specified preciselyWHEN in the future.Carl W. ConradDepartment of Classics, Washington UniversitySummer: 1647 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243cwconrad at artsci.wustl.eduWWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/————– next part ————–A non-text attachment was scrubbed…Name: not availableType: text/enrichedSize: 1404 bytesDesc: not availableUrl : http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail//attachments/19990524/1b4e86d1/attachment.bin
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Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 Mary Pendergraft pender at wfu.edu
Mon May 24 05:37:05 EDT 1999
Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 Orthography rather than scripture George Goolde wrote:> > What, if anything, is the significance of the present tense of the> infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25: “dei gar auton basileuin”?> Does the present infinitive after dei say anything about the time of> the reign relative to the time of writing?> To the second question, I don’t think so: Unless there’s a compellingreason to believe otherwise in a particular case, the tense of aninfinitive represents aspect rather than time, except in constructionswith an accusative subject, like indirect statement. If the force isaspect, then, BASILEUEIN suggests “to be king” in contrast to what anaorist, “to become king”: such an ingressive use of the aorist isparticularly likely with this verb.MaryMary PendergraftAssociate Professor of Classical LanguagesWake Forest UniversityWinston-Salem NC 27109-7343
Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25Orthography rather than scripture
Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Mon May 24 05:28:23 EDT 1999
Plenary Genitive Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 At 1:06 AM -0700 5/24/99, George Goolde wrote:>What, if anything, is the significance of the present tense of the>infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25: “dei gar auton basileuin”?>Does the present infinitive after dei say anything about the time of the>reign relative to the time of writing?Text: DEI GAR AUTON BASILEUEIN ACRI hOU QHi PANTAS TOUS ECQROUS hUPO TOUSPODAS AUTOU.I think rather that the tense of the infinitive is a matter of aspect:continuous, and that the governing verb here is DEI, and since that ispresent (I don’t recall ever seeing the impersonal DEI other than inpresent, future,or imperfect), I don’t really see how there is anyindication whatsoever of the time of reigning relative to the time ofwriting. If one should attempt what Will Wagers called a “hypertranslation”of this, I’d do it thus: “the obligation remains for him to keep reigninguntil he has put all his foes beneath his feet.” But the contextualtemporal setting for this, it seems to me, has to be derived from thefuture of 1 Cor 15:22 ZWiOPOIHQHSONTAI. The present tense of DEI thus mustrefer to a sequence within the future, but it is not specified preciselyWHEN in the future.Carl W. ConradDepartment of Classics, Washington UniversitySummer: 1647 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243cwconrad at artsci.wustl.eduWWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/————– next part ————–A non-text attachment was scrubbed…Name: not availableType: text/enrichedSize: 1404 bytesDesc: not availableUrl : http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail//attachments/19990524/1b4e86d1/attachment.bin
Plenary GenitiveTense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25
Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 Mary Pendergraft pender at wfu.edu
Mon May 24 05:37:05 EDT 1999
Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25 Orthography rather than scripture George Goolde wrote:> > What, if anything, is the significance of the present tense of the> infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25: “dei gar auton basileuin”?> Does the present infinitive after dei say anything about the time of> the reign relative to the time of writing?> To the second question, I don’t think so: Unless there’s a compellingreason to believe otherwise in a particular case, the tense of aninfinitive represents aspect rather than time, except in constructionswith an accusative subject, like indirect statement. If the force isaspect, then, BASILEUEIN suggests “to be king” in contrast to what anaorist, “to become king”: such an ingressive use of the aorist isparticularly likely with this verb.MaryMary PendergraftAssociate Professor of Classical LanguagesWake Forest UniversityWinston-Salem NC 27109-7343
Tense of infinitive in 1 Cor 15:25Orthography rather than scripture