Luke 19:11

Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Mike Sangrey msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org
Thu Apr 18 14:50:13 EDT 2002

Greek computer programs (plus learning strategy for first-year Greek) Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking AKOUONTWN DE AUTWN TAUTA PROSQEIS EIPEN PARABOLHN DIA TO EGGUS EINAIIEROUSALHM AUTON KAI DOKEIN AUTOUS hOTI PARAXRHMA MELLEI hH BASILEIA TOUQEOU ANAFAINESQAIWhat I’m really after is in the phrase: DIA TO EGGUS EINAI IEROUSALHM AUTONIEROUSALHM is indeclinable. But, if you were creating a database whichrequired you to grammatically label it, with what case would you labelit?– Mike Sangreymsangrey at BlueFeltHat.orgLandisburg, Pa. “The first one last wins.” “A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth.”

Greek computer programs (plus learning strategy for first-year Greek)Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking

Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Steve Lovullo SLovullo at etcconnect.com
Thu Apr 18 14:55:12 EDT 2002

Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Mike:I’m at work right now, so I don’t have Accordance handy. But my guess isdative, construed with EGGUS (“near to Jerusalem”).Steve Lo Vullo> —–Original Message—–> From: Mike Sangrey [mailto:msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org]> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:50 PM> To: Biblical Greek> Subject: [] Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking> > > AKOUONTWN DE AUTWN TAUTA PROSQEIS EIPEN PARABOLHN DIA TO EGGUS EINAI> IEROUSALHM AUTON KAI DOKEIN AUTOUS hOTI PARAXRHMA MELLEI hH > BASILEIA TOU> QEOU ANAFAINESQAI> > What I’m really after is in the phrase:> DIA TO EGGUS EINAI IEROUSALHM AUTON> > IEROUSALHM is indeclinable. But, if you were creating a > database which> required you to grammatically label it, with what case would you label> it?> > — > Mike Sangrey> msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org> Landisburg, Pa.> “The first one last wins.”> “A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth.”> > > —> home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/> You are currently subscribed to as: [slovullo at etcconnect.com]> To unsubscribe, forward this message to > $subst(‘Email.Unsub’)> To subscribe, send a message to subscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu> >

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Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Mike Sangrey msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org
Thu Apr 18 15:36:31 EDT 2002

Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Gosh, Steve, what takes you so long to reply? <chuckle>BTW, maybe it’s best you don’t have Accordance handy (though I wouldn’tmind knowing how it has labeled it). That means you have to rely onyour intuition. And that might be better, at least initially.I just did some double checks and discovered John 11:18, which is HN DE hH BHQANIA EGGUS TWN hIEROSOLUMWN hWS APO STADIWN DEKAPENTE. Here hIEROSOLUMWN is morphologically genitive but we can think of it asablative and say that Bethany is 15 stadia FROM Jerusalem, especiallysince the case is “helped” along by APO. So, I’m not sure this helps memuch. This is a little different than thinking of being near TOJerusalem. Also, EGGUS is a preposition here and an adverb in Luke19:11; however, that might be pushing English into the Greek.On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 14:55, Steve Lovullo wrote:> Mike:> > I’m at work right now, so I don’t have Accordance handy. But my guess is> dative, construed with EGGUS (“near to Jerusalem”).> > Steve Lo Vullo> > > —–Original Message—–> > From: Mike Sangrey [mailto:msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org]> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:50 PM> > To: Biblical Greek> > Subject: [] Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking> > > > > > AKOUONTWN DE AUTWN TAUTA PROSQEIS EIPEN PARABOLHN DIA TO EGGUS EINAI> > IEROUSALHM AUTON KAI DOKEIN AUTOUS hOTI PARAXRHMA MELLEI hH > > BASILEIA TOU> > QEOU ANAFAINESQAI> > > > What I’m really after is in the phrase:> > DIA TO EGGUS EINAI IEROUSALHM AUTON> > > > IEROUSALHM is indeclinable. But, if you were creating a > > database which> > required you to grammatically label it, with what case would you label> > it?> > > > — > > Mike Sangrey> > msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org> > Landisburg, Pa.> > “The first one last wins.”> > “A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth.”> > > > > > —> > home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/> > You are currently subscribed to as: [slovullo at etcconnect.com]> > To unsubscribe, forward this message to > > $subst(‘Email.Unsub’)> > To subscribe, send a message to subscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu> > > > > > —> home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/> You are currently subscribed to as: [msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org]> To unsubscribe, forward this message to $subst(‘Email.Unsub’)> To subscribe, send a message to subscribe- at franklin.oit.unc.edu> — Mike Sangreymsangrey at BlueFeltHat.orgLandisburg, Pa. “The first one last wins.” “A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth.”

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Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Clwinbery at aol.com Clwinbery at aol.com
Thu Apr 18 16:10:49 EDT 2002

Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Mike Sangrey <msangrey at BlueFeltHat.org> Sent from the Internet (Details) AKOUONTWN DE AUTWN TAUTA PROSQEIS EIPEN PARABOLHN DIA TO EGGUS EINAI IEROUSALHM AUTON KAI DOKEIN AUTOUS hOTI PARAXRHMA MELLEI hH BASILEIA TOU QEOU ANAFAINESQAI What I’m really after is in the phrase: DIA TO EGGUS EINAI IEROUSALHM AUTON IEROUSALHM is indeclinable. But, if you were creating a database which required you to grammatically label it, with what case would you label it?Mike, Accordance locates IEROUSALHM in this instance as genitive. According to BAGD it is common to use EGGUS with the genitive for local functions. BAGD also gives the dative as an option when EGGUS is local.It is really used here as an adverbial genitive of place and also at John 11:54. It can be used as a dative of place (some say “locative”) such as Acts 9:38 EGGUS . . . THi IOPPHi.Carlton Winbery Louisiana

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Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Polycarp66 at aol.com Polycarp66 at aol.com
Thu Apr 18 17:03:34 EDT 2002

Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking In a message dated 4/18/2002 4:11:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Clwinbery at aol.com writes:>> IEROUSALHM AUTON KAI DOKEIN AUTOUS hOTI PARAXRHMA MELLEI >> hH BASILEIA TOU QEOU ANAFAINESQAI>> What I’m really after is in the phrase:>> DIA TO EGGUS EINAI IEROUSALHM AUTON>> IEROUSALHM is indeclinable. But, if you were creating a database which>> required you to grammatically label it, with what case would you label>> it?> Mike, Accordance locates IEROUSALHM in this instance as genitive. According > to BAGD it is common to use EGGUS with the genitive for local functions. > BAGD also gives the dative as an option when EGGUS is local.___________________________Logos likewise indicates that IEROUSALHM is genitive. Since the form hIEROSOLUMA or IEROUSALHM is apparently not used in any case distinction, it is interesting that Logos/Accordance and BGAD state so confidently that it is genitive. There are a number of instances listed in both the LXX and the NT with dat. following. I’m wondering why the confidence that IEROUSALHM is gen. Any ideas?gfsomsel

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Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Apr 18 17:19:09 EDT 2002

Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking The Meaning of LOGIZOMAI At 5:03 PM -0400 4/18/02, Polycarp66 at aol.com wrote:>In a message dated 4/18/2002 4:11:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,>Clwinbery at aol.com writes:> >>> IEROUSALHM AUTON KAI DOKEIN AUTOUS hOTI PARAXRHMA MELLEI >> hH>BASILEIA TOU QEOU ANAFAINESQAI> >>> What I’m really after is in the phrase:>>> DIA TO EGGUS EINAI IEROUSALHM AUTON> >>> IEROUSALHM is indeclinable. But, if you were creating a database which>>> required you to grammatically label it, with what case would you label>>> it?> >> Mike, Accordance locates IEROUSALHM in this instance as genitive. According> > to BAGD it is common to use EGGUS with the genitive for local functions.> > BAGD also gives the dative as an option when EGGUS is local.>___________________________> >Logos likewise indicates that IEROUSALHM is genitive. Since the form>hIEROSOLUMA or IEROUSALHM is apparently not used in any case distinction, it>is interesting that Logos/Accordance and BGAD state so confidently that it is>genitive. There are a number of instances listed in both the LXX and the NT>with dat. following. I’m wondering why the confidence that IEROUSALHM is>gen. Any ideas?Well, one good reason is that EGGUS, when it’s a preposition, is in factmore often used with genitive (the ablatival genitive, at that).– Carl W. ConradDepartment of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)Most months:: 1647 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu OR cwconrad at ioa.comWWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/

Luke 19:11 and grammatical markingThe Meaning of LOGIZOMAI

Luke 19:11 and grammatical marking Paul O. Wendland wendlanp at wls.wels.net
Fri Apr 19 18:29:18 EDT 2002

Helena font keyboard chart?? Greek Palindromes > In a message dated 4/18/2002 4:11:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,> Clwinbery at aol.com writes:> > >> IEROUSALHM AUTON KAI DOKEIN AUTOUS hOTI PARAXRHMA MELLEI >> hH> BASILEIA TOU QEOU ANAFAINESQAI> > > Logos likewise indicates that IEROUSALHM is genitive. Since the form> hIEROSOLUMA or IEROUSALHM is apparently not used in any case> distinction, it> is interesting that Logos/Accordance and BGAD state so> confidently that it is> genitive. There are a number of instances listed in both the LXX> and the NT> with dat. following. I’m wondering why the confidence that> IEROUSALHM is> gen. Any ideas?> > gfsomsel> ——————————–Bible Windows (based on the Fribergs’ Analytical Greek New Testament) offersboth dative and genitive as possibilities for IEROUSALHM, with the dativelisted first.===============================Paul O. Wendland

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