Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? phylax at aracnet.com phylax at aracnet.com
Sat Jan 1 09:40:52 EST 2000
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? Hello all, I’m trying to improve my understanding of some of the finerpoints of greek grammar, and was looking more carefully than I’m used to athow KAI is used.When I ran across the following (Mt 26.73), where Peter is accused of beingone of Jesus’ men.KAI GAR H LALIA SOU DHLON SE POIEI.So my question is, just what is this KAI doing? Thanks for advance, and if the answer is obvious my apologies in advance aswell.-Steven Schultz
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing?
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sat Jan 1 10:00:48 EST 2000
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? (corr) At 6:40 AM -0800 1/1/00, phylax at aracnet.com wrote:>Hello all, I’m trying to improve my understanding of some of the finer>points of greek grammar, and was looking more carefully than I’m used to at>how KAI is used.> >When I ran across the following (Mt 26.73), where Peter is accused of being>one of Jesus’ men.> >KAI GAR H LALIA SOU DHLON SE POIEI.> >So my question is, just what is this KAI doing?> >Thanks for advance, and if the answer is obvious my apologies in advance as>well.This is a relatively simple one: KAI here is functioning not as aconjunction but as an adverb for “too” or “also” or “even” emphasizing theword that follows it. Here the GAR, which must always be second in itsclause, intervenes, but the GAR really construes with hH LALIA: It’s “Foreven your speech makes you obvious” rather than “And since your speechmakes you obvious” (in fact, that GAR is out of place if the sentence isread with KAI as conjunction).Carl W. ConradDepartment of Classics/Washington UniversityOne Brookings Drive/St. Louis, MO, USA 63130/(314) 935-4018Home: 7222 Colgate Ave./St. Louis, MO 63130/(314) 726-5649cwconrad at artsci.wustl.eduWWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing?Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? (corr)
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? (corr) Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sat Jan 1 10:03:24 EST 2000
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? At 9:00 AM -0600 1/1/00, Carl W. Conrad wrote:>This is a relatively simple one: KAI here is functioning not as a>conjunction but as an adverb for “too” or “also” or “even” emphasizing the>word that follows it. Here the GAR, which must always be second in its>clause, intervenes, but the GAR really construes with hH LALIA: It’s “For>even your speech makes you obvious” rather than “And since your speech>makes you obvious” (in fact, that GAR is out of place if the sentence is>read with KAI as conjunction).Four lines down it should be “… but the KAI really construes with hH LALIA”Carl W. ConradDepartment of Classics/Washington UniversityOne Brookings Drive/St. Louis, MO, USA 63130/(314) 935-4018Home: 7222 Colgate Ave./St. Louis, MO 63130/(314) 726-5649cwconrad at artsci.wustl.eduWWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? Jim West jwest at highland.net
Sat Jan 1 10:03:28 EST 2000
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? (corr) John 1:2 ‘The same’ or ‘He’ At 06:40 AM 1/1/00 -0800, you wrote:>Hello all, I’m trying to improve my understanding of some of the finer>points of greek grammar, and was looking more carefully than I’m used to at>how KAI is used.> >When I ran across the following (Mt 26.73), where Peter is accused of being>one of Jesus’ men.> >KAI GAR H LALIA SOU DHLON SE POIEI.> >So my question is, just what is this KAI doing? Hi,I think it is serving as a clarificatory remark about Peter- = also… “foryours speech also…. etc.”this is called the adjunctive use.best,Jim++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Jim West, ThDjwest at highland.nethttp://web.infoave.net/~jwest
Mt 26.73 – What is the second KAI doing? (corr)John 1:2 ‘The same’ or ‘He’
Romans 8:15-17 Peter need to mature to receive full rewards in the Millennium.
The Spirit Himself aids believers in crying out to God. He bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. Many view this verse as saying the Spirit internally witnesses to believers of their eternal salvation. But the Greek compound verb
summartureœ
conveys the meaning of bear witness with (NKJV), not bear witness to. This is not an internal witness of the Spirit to us that we are saved. Rather, the Holy Spirit joins with our spirit in testifying to God the Father that we are His children. This fulfills the OT principle that all matters must be verified by a minimum of two witnesses (Deut 19:15; Matt 18:16).
This dual witness to God occurs through prayer (cf. v 26). In the OT, prayer directed toward God in a time of need reminds God that the people of Israel are His people (1 Kings 8:51-52; Ex 33:13; Deut 9:26,29). This is analogous to reminding God in a time of need that we are His children. God doesn’t need reminding, but in times of need it serves to solidify the believer’s petition by virtue of the relational status they have with God.
Furthermore, the relational status strengthens believers to endure suffering. If [since we are] children [
teknon
], then heirs—heirs of God. All Christians are heirs of God simply by faith alone. However becoming joint heirs with (
sunkl¢ronomoi
) Christ occurs only if indeed we suffer with Him.
The term teknon (children, vv 16-17,21) has a more distinct nuance than the terms
huios
(son, vv 14,19) and
huiothesia
(sonship, vv 15,23). The term
teknon
is used in many ways, but here it simply means children of God.
In this context, only the mature sons of God are co-heirs with Christ as a result of living righteously through the leading of the Spirit (vv 13-15). Living in such a way will lead to suffering in this life, but enduring through suffering will result in greater glory. Two related Greek terms (one with the preposition with prefixed to it) distinguish mere heirship (
kl¢ronomoi
) as a result of believing in Christ, from co-heirship (
sunkl¢ronomoi
) as a result of suffering with Christ. The result of suffering with Christ is that we may also be gloried together (
sundoxasthœmen
, lit., “we may also be glorified with”; cf. v 18 to define the meaning of glory). Scripture clearly supports that rewards are conditioned upon works and suffering (Acts 20:32; 1 Cor 9:27; 2 Cor 5:10; 1 Peter 1:4; Col 3:24; 2 Tim 2:11-13; James 2:5; 1 John 2:28; Rev 2-3). Paul teaches here that all believers upon regeneration become heirs of God, but only those who suffer become joint-heirs with Christ and will rule and receive rewards from Him at their glorification.
wrong post?
i thought 2nd KAI was second denial of Christ in Mt 26:73?
I was trying to connect it with your comment from Romans
Troy Day Peter, as one of 12 apostles, will lead one of the 12 tribes of Israel during the Millennium; which is based on his good works; and Peter ended his life faithfully. But after the second and third betrayal of Jesus, he had a lot of maturing to do as a disciple. Which is a lesson for each of us.
based on his good works? come again ? The BIBLE does not tell us HOW Peter ended his life does it?
good faithful works as a believer are judged at Bema and earn rewards in Millennium.
YAP